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BNP will put up two candidates
7:59am Sunday 3rd February 2008
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THE British National Party is preparing for a coordinated attack on Vale Royal in the May elections.
The BNP has candidates in place to fight for seats in Northwich and Winsford during the elections for a new shadow authority.
BNP election organiser Dave Murphy said: "For the first time we are able to have a co-ordinated campaign across the whole area.
"We have got candidates in place for Northwich and Winsford so we feel this time around we are in a very strong position."
The May elections will appoint councillors to a new shadow authority which will eventually replace the borough and county councils.
Mr Murphy believes many voters feel the time is right for a shift in the political landscape.
He said: "We have two candidates for Northwich and two for Winsford and we are very confident. We have never had this before and it just shows how much stronger we are becoming."
One of the candidates for Winsford north is Malcolm McGlynn.
Mr McGlynn, 47 and a father of five, is hoping people will begin to see the BNP in a different light.
He said: "The BNP is nothing like how it used to be.
"A long time ago it was all skinheads and boots but that just isn't the case anymore.
"I am not a racist. I am a nationalist and I am all about politics. The support I have had so far from people in Winsford has been incredible. The problem is that they don't tend to come forward openly because of what people may think of them. But the BNP is not what some people think it is and I am quite prepared to stand and be counted."
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Keith, London says...
10:11am Sun 3 Feb 08
William, Maclesfield says...
11:32am Sun 3 Feb 08
William, Maclesfield says...
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Sandy, London says...
12:03pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Sandy, London says...
12:03pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Dave V, says...
12:10pm Sun 3 Feb 08
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Daniel Levinson, Nantwich says...
1:00pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Daniel Levinson, Nantwich says...
1:00pm Sun 3 Feb 08
John Roberts, says...
1:31pm Sun 3 Feb 08
The BNP have some policies that appeal to many people in this country and the media should give us a chance to hear them. We are supposed to be a democracy after all.
John Roberts, says...
1:31pm Sun 3 Feb 08
The BNP have some policies that appeal to many people in this country and the media should give us a chance to hear them. We are supposed to be a democracy after all.
chris, liverpool says...
1:43pm Sun 3 Feb 08
chris, liverpool says...
1:43pm Sun 3 Feb 08
roy, england says...
1:59pm Sun 3 Feb 08
roy, england says...
1:59pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Voice of Reason, Milton Keynes says...
2:42pm Sun 3 Feb 08
roy wrote:I think you'll find far more fascists in New Labour than you ever would in the BNP! Who supported an illegal war killing 1m people, who is imposing draconian measures on freedom speech, who believes in persecuting political opponents on fabricated charges instigated by state security services? Yep Good ol Gordon and his mates!
Dont be fooled by this new image,the BNP are STILL facists who will cause chaos if they ever got to power.
Voice of Reason, Milton Keynes says...
2:42pm Sun 3 Feb 08
roy wrote:I think you'll find far more fascists in New Labour than you ever would in the BNP! Who supported an illegal war killing 1m people, who is imposing draconian measures on freedom speech, who believes in persecuting political opponents on fabricated charges instigated by state security services? Yep Good ol Gordon and his mates!
Dont be fooled by this new image,the BNP are STILL facists who will cause chaos if they ever got to power.
Rowlands, Stockport says...
2:45pm Sun 3 Feb 08
The BNP is an evolving political party in the same way,for example, that Labour (which contains many former members of communist, marxist and trotskyist organisations moved away from state socialism and embraced global capitalism. From what I have gleaned the BNP are Britain's best hope of defending our national heritage and political independence.
Rowlands
Rowlands, Stockport says...
2:45pm Sun 3 Feb 08
The BNP is an evolving political party in the same way,for example, that Labour (which contains many former members of communist, marxist and trotskyist organisations moved away from state socialism and embraced global capitalism. From what I have gleaned the BNP are Britain's best hope of defending our national heritage and political independence.
Rowlands
veronica, Doncaster. ex Winsford. says...
3:27pm Sun 3 Feb 08
The smoking ban introduced by Hitler in Nazi Germany brought in 2007 by labour.
3000 new laws brought in by labour since 1997 hitler did the same. a raft of laws to curtail freedoms.
Today the home secretary wants trials without juries in certain cases ..you understand?
She wants to hand pick coroners that way. any deaths can be called natural.
Eurogend the eu thugs. that Milliband refused to say they'd never be allowed with their jackboots on UK streets.
I could go on and on pointing out we already have a fascist government.
Media biased comments regarding the BNP are a sign of their fear that the British people are waking up and now see an evil future awaits them.
Churchill said "fascism would return in the guise of anti fascism" the great man was right!
EU laws will soon outlaw the BNP..WHY?
Their anti eu stance! still think we have democracy?
Scared of fascism? You bet that's why i shall vote BNP.
veronica, Doncaster. ex Winsford. says...
3:27pm Sun 3 Feb 08
The smoking ban introduced by Hitler in Nazi Germany brought in 2007 by labour.
3000 new laws brought in by labour since 1997 hitler did the same. a raft of laws to curtail freedoms.
Today the home secretary wants trials without juries in certain cases ..you understand?
She wants to hand pick coroners that way. any deaths can be called natural.
Eurogend the eu thugs. that Milliband refused to say they'd never be allowed with their jackboots on UK streets.
I could go on and on pointing out we already have a fascist government.
Media biased comments regarding the BNP are a sign of their fear that the British people are waking up and now see an evil future awaits them.
Churchill said "fascism would return in the guise of anti fascism" the great man was right!
EU laws will soon outlaw the BNP..WHY?
Their anti eu stance! still think we have democracy?
Scared of fascism? You bet that's why i shall vote BNP.
Colin Smith, london says...
3:52pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Colin
Colin Smith, london says...
3:52pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Colin
james, birmingham says...
5:05pm Sun 3 Feb 08
james, birmingham says...
5:05pm Sun 3 Feb 08
alex, says...
5:53pm Sun 3 Feb 08
alex, says...
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UK_Nationalist, Kent says...
6:02pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Thier average vote is in excess of 15%.
This is more than can be said for UKIP, and indeed, in theory I should be biased in favour of them, seeing as I have relations with Nigel Farage.
Yet, I see that the BNP are all we as a nation really have, so please, reconsider.
UK_Nationalist, Kent says...
6:02pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Thier average vote is in excess of 15%.
This is more than can be said for UKIP, and indeed, in theory I should be biased in favour of them, seeing as I have relations with Nigel Farage.
Yet, I see that the BNP are all we as a nation really have, so please, reconsider.
Nick D., England says...
6:38pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Unfortunately at around the same time these parties decided the peoples of Britain didn't have any such right.
The BNP were formed to right this wrong. And they remain the only party which treats African, Asian, and European peoples equally on the most fundamental issue pertaining to those peoples' survival and security.
They are the only anti-racist party.
Nick D., England says...
6:38pm Sun 3 Feb 08
Unfortunately at around the same time these parties decided the peoples of Britain didn't have any such right.
The BNP were formed to right this wrong. And they remain the only party which treats African, Asian, and European peoples equally on the most fundamental issue pertaining to those peoples' survival and security.
They are the only anti-racist party.
Willow, Winsford says...
8:38pm Sun 3 Feb 08
The above candidate has a criminal past and his son is not long out of prison I think. Last year we had another candidate, Farrell, who also has a criminal past and two sons who were jailed for dealing in class A drugs.
If yuo want them you can have them.
Crooks and racists the lot of them. I hope the people of Winsford remember the 24 hour guard McGlynn had after turning queens evidence against his own cousin.
Willow, Winsford says...
8:38pm Sun 3 Feb 08
The above candidate has a criminal past and his son is not long out of prison I think. Last year we had another candidate, Farrell, who also has a criminal past and two sons who were jailed for dealing in class A drugs.
If yuo want them you can have them.
Crooks and racists the lot of them. I hope the people of Winsford remember the 24 hour guard McGlynn had after turning queens evidence against his own cousin.
Lickyalips, Londonistan says...
9:42pm Sun 3 Feb 08
The BNP should be allowed a level playing-field on which to pitch their case. If they succeed in the election, then that is democracy in action. However, if they don't succeed, that, too, is democracy in action.
Lickyalips, Londonistan says...
9:42pm Sun 3 Feb 08
The BNP should be allowed a level playing-field on which to pitch their case. If they succeed in the election, then that is democracy in action. However, if they don't succeed, that, too, is democracy in action.
Nick D., England says...
5:34am Mon 4 Feb 08
Ad hominem arguments attacking the man, not the policy; attacking 3 people who make no claim to be public figures; and lowest of all the use of the pejorative "racist" for a party dedicated to native-rights and survival.
Is the Dalai Lama a "racist" because he campaigns for a Tibetan Tibet?
Are the three main parties racist because they so vocally support Israel's right to exist as a homleand for the Jewish people?
I say no. The racists are those who defend the rights of SOME people to homelands but deny the same right to OTHER peoples.
Nick D., England says...
5:34am Mon 4 Feb 08
Ad hominem arguments attacking the man, not the policy; attacking 3 people who make no claim to be public figures; and lowest of all the use of the pejorative "racist" for a party dedicated to native-rights and survival.
Is the Dalai Lama a "racist" because he campaigns for a Tibetan Tibet?
Are the three main parties racist because they so vocally support Israel's right to exist as a homleand for the Jewish people?
I say no. The racists are those who defend the rights of SOME people to homelands but deny the same right to OTHER peoples.
Jack Africa, Australia says...
6:01am Mon 4 Feb 08
Keep up the good work BNP I need you in power to protect my relatives left in the old dart.
Jack Africa, Australia says...
6:01am Mon 4 Feb 08
Keep up the good work BNP I need you in power to protect my relatives left in the old dart.
Jeff Stuart, Winsford says...
8:49am Mon 4 Feb 08
Jeff Stuart, Winsford says...
8:49am Mon 4 Feb 08
Comment, Winsford says...
9:33am Mon 4 Feb 08
And Willow is right ...who would want to vote for anyone that's got a known criminal past, regardless of what Party they stand for!
Comment, Winsford says...
9:33am Mon 4 Feb 08
And Willow is right ...who would want to vote for anyone that's got a known criminal past, regardless of what Party they stand for!
ted, winsford says...
10:14am Mon 4 Feb 08
,Bob Hargreaves(Bradford)
,Bill Chadwick(Preston),Ne
il Derbershire(Stockpor
t) and on and on,the list is endless.The list of Labour councilors convicted of a wide range of offences is also endless.
The BNP candidate may have a criminal past,but that is exactly what it is,in the past.He is a brave man to be putting himself in the public spotlight,knowing such gossips like Willow (who brought up the subject of criminals)will abuse his past for cheap political gain.I for one will not judge him on events 2 decades ago.I will judge him on the man he is now.For the record I am a floating voter who will wait to see all the candidates before my mind is made up.
ted, winsford says...
10:14am Mon 4 Feb 08
,Bob Hargreaves(Bradford)
,Bill Chadwick(Preston),Ne
il Derbershire(Stockpor
t) and on and on,the list is endless.The list of Labour councilors convicted of a wide range of offences is also endless.
The BNP candidate may have a criminal past,but that is exactly what it is,in the past.He is a brave man to be putting himself in the public spotlight,knowing such gossips like Willow (who brought up the subject of criminals)will abuse his past for cheap political gain.I for one will not judge him on events 2 decades ago.I will judge him on the man he is now.For the record I am a floating voter who will wait to see all the candidates before my mind is made up.
Bob, Middlewich says...
12:47pm Mon 4 Feb 08
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Sandy, London says...
1:30pm Mon 4 Feb 08
Sandy, London says...
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Bob, Winsford says...
1:38pm Mon 4 Feb 08
Bob, Winsford says...
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Ralph, Winsford says...
4:48pm Mon 4 Feb 08
james wrote:
people should vote ukip they have a much better chance and wants britian out of the eu . not alot of people will vote bnp but 2.7 million voted for ukip in the euro elections and ukip policys are much better. there have lords and meps and the bnp havent visit www.ukip.org they have three times as much members as the bnp . they want a five year freeze on immigation. so vote ukip
THE BNP has soundly beaten UKIP in 99.9% of elections. Who wants to vote for a one-issue party? The only reason they did well in the Euro Elections, was because the government promoted then as an alternative to the BNP - but they are useless and have no policies.
Come and see who the BNP really are - join our regular Winsford meetings.
Ralph
Ralph, Winsford says...
4:48pm Mon 4 Feb 08
james wrote:
people should vote ukip they have a much better chance and wants britian out of the eu . not alot of people will vote bnp but 2.7 million voted for ukip in the euro elections and ukip policys are much better. there have lords and meps and the bnp havent visit www.ukip.org they have three times as much members as the bnp . they want a five year freeze on immigation. so vote ukip
THE BNP has soundly beaten UKIP in 99.9% of elections. Who wants to vote for a one-issue party? The only reason they did well in the Euro Elections, was because the government promoted then as an alternative to the BNP - but they are useless and have no policies.
Come and see who the BNP really are - join our regular Winsford meetings.
Ralph
james, says...
5:14pm Mon 4 Feb 08
james, says...
5:14pm Mon 4 Feb 08
willow, winsford says...
8:02pm Mon 4 Feb 08
No honour among thieves there. At a time when politicians are in the spot light for unethical behaviour you want to elct people like this??
Says more about you than you need to say. I for one will NEVER vote for the BNP as they have one policy. White only Britain. I hope the good people of Winsford do as they did in the last election and elect none of them.
willow, winsford says...
8:02pm Mon 4 Feb 08
No honour among thieves there. At a time when politicians are in the spot light for unethical behaviour you want to elct people like this??
Says more about you than you need to say. I for one will NEVER vote for the BNP as they have one policy. White only Britain. I hope the good people of Winsford do as they did in the last election and elect none of them.
Bob, Middlewich says...
11:54pm Mon 4 Feb 08
You are like a dog with a bone,a perfect example of how our country is losing(if already lost)our christian heritage,shame on you,if Jesus was alive now then I imagine people like you would be nailing him up as I write this.I expect you would be recieving you pieces of silver for your cold hearted betrayal.
I hope the guy does very well in the election if only to annoy small minded people like yourself.I hope we have a candidate for Middlewich for me to vote for,any offer's??,sadly I am like you,I hide behind a false name and only have the guts to speak out anonamously..
I've been researching the BNP policies(and the anti-BNP groups) and there is no mention of white only Britain,there are however lots of interesting policies.My eye's have been opened,I originaly wanted to dislike them like I do all the other parties.I ended up admiring their honesty.
Bob, Middlewich says...
11:54pm Mon 4 Feb 08
You are like a dog with a bone,a perfect example of how our country is losing(if already lost)our christian heritage,shame on you,if Jesus was alive now then I imagine people like you would be nailing him up as I write this.I expect you would be recieving you pieces of silver for your cold hearted betrayal.
I hope the guy does very well in the election if only to annoy small minded people like yourself.I hope we have a candidate for Middlewich for me to vote for,any offer's??,sadly I am like you,I hide behind a false name and only have the guts to speak out anonamously..
I've been researching the BNP policies(and the anti-BNP groups) and there is no mention of white only Britain,there are however lots of interesting policies.My eye's have been opened,I originaly wanted to dislike them like I do all the other parties.I ended up admiring their honesty.
george deighton, london says...
12:22am Tue 5 Feb 08
Which these episodes it proves is that the BBC and Talk Sport are engaged to each other, in a blatant BNP political censorship. In the case of the Jon Gaunt this is particularly ironic given that he professes to be such a patriot. With all his bluster about crime, immigration, the EU and all the other problems that that have been caused by the LibLabCon men who have betrayed Britain, you would think that he would support the BNP. The truth is however that he can never resist repeating the same tired old lies about the BNP being ‘racist’ or ‘extremist’ - it’s not, and unless Gaunt is a complete moron he knows it’s not, yet he keeps regurgitating the same garbage day after day.. .
george deighton, london says...
12:22am Tue 5 Feb 08
Which these episodes it proves is that the BBC and Talk Sport are engaged to each other, in a blatant BNP political censorship. In the case of the Jon Gaunt this is particularly ironic given that he professes to be such a patriot. With all his bluster about crime, immigration, the EU and all the other problems that that have been caused by the LibLabCon men who have betrayed Britain, you would think that he would support the BNP. The truth is however that he can never resist repeating the same tired old lies about the BNP being ‘racist’ or ‘extremist’ - it’s not, and unless Gaunt is a complete moron he knows it’s not, yet he keeps regurgitating the same garbage day after day.. .
Nick Barfoot, london says...
12:41am Tue 5 Feb 08
News Archive
On the Campaign Trail with Donna Bailey
After the great publicity given to the BNP’s “Blonder Bombshell” Donna Bailey, a BBC TV and radio crew descended on the quiet West Sussex village to film Donna and some friends out leafleting.
In this clip now available on BNPtv, Donna, having been refused co-option normally extended to all parties, shows her pace and commitment as she confidently leaflets and canvasses her neighbours in the village. Both the BBC TV and Radio accompanying her and her friends were surprised by the very positive reception she got, and impressed by her stature in the community. Further reports over the next few days leading to the election on 7th February will continue.
Nick Barfoot, london says...
12:41am Tue 5 Feb 08
News Archive
On the Campaign Trail with Donna Bailey
After the great publicity given to the BNP’s “Blonder Bombshell” Donna Bailey, a BBC TV and radio crew descended on the quiet West Sussex village to film Donna and some friends out leafleting.
In this clip now available on BNPtv, Donna, having been refused co-option normally extended to all parties, shows her pace and commitment as she confidently leaflets and canvasses her neighbours in the village. Both the BBC TV and Radio accompanying her and her friends were surprised by the very positive reception she got, and impressed by her stature in the community. Further reports over the next few days leading to the election on 7th February will continue.
Jeff Stuart, Winsford says...
12:57pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Jeff Stuart, Winsford says...
12:57pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Terry, Winsford says...
1:23pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Terry, Winsford says...
1:23pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Comment, Winsford says...
3:41pm Tue 5 Feb 08
So those that you class as non-indigenous are ok to go die for the Country they live in but because you're non-indigenous you can now go sod off!
Take it none of you use non-indigenous people when it suits you then, like Drs, Nurses, Firemen, Paramedics etc
And stop **** footing around the word indigenous eh ...you mean non whites...so say what you mean.
Comment, Winsford says...
3:41pm Tue 5 Feb 08
So those that you class as non-indigenous are ok to go die for the Country they live in but because you're non-indigenous you can now go sod off!
Take it none of you use non-indigenous people when it suits you then, like Drs, Nurses, Firemen, Paramedics etc
And stop **** footing around the word indigenous eh ...you mean non whites...so say what you mean.
Comment, Winsford says...
3:48pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Comment, Winsford says...
3:48pm Tue 5 Feb 08
robert, scotland says...
5:15pm Tue 5 Feb 08
robert, scotland says...
5:15pm Tue 5 Feb 08
Jeff Stuart, Winsford says...
8:55pm Tue 5 Feb 08
I use the word indigenous because I in honesty do not think they are fairly treated in todays UK.We are all entitled to our opinion supposedly in a free democracy and that should be respected.
Jeff Stuart, Winsford says...
8:55pm Tue 5 Feb 08
I use the word indigenous because I in honesty do not think they are fairly treated in todays UK.We are all entitled to our opinion supposedly in a free democracy and that should be respected.
Comment, Winsford says...
1:53am Wed 6 Feb 08
I took the defination for indigenous of the BNP mission statement from their site and the way I read it it doesn't include recent population from say 200 years ago
Comment, Winsford says...
1:53am Wed 6 Feb 08
I took the defination for indigenous of the BNP mission statement from their site and the way I read it it doesn't include recent population from say 200 years ago
bill, winsford says...
6:02am Wed 6 Feb 08
National pride... jesus on the cross etc.
What do you think this is the crusades?
The biggest threat to the worlds security is fundamentalsim and what do you call the BNP (national front as was )?
The vast majority of non white people living in this country pose no threat to this nation. The BNP do with a secular view. White Britain.
You make me sick and i know that none of the BNP will be on the council after the election as only narrow minded bigots like most of you here will not vote for them.
Go along to their meetings if you wish and see the kind of people and rubbish that is spouted. Still holding the meetings in the Red Lion?????
Had to be a BNP pub with a name like that.
bill, winsford says...
6:02am Wed 6 Feb 08
National pride... jesus on the cross etc.
What do you think this is the crusades?
The biggest threat to the worlds security is fundamentalsim and what do you call the BNP (national front as was )?
The vast majority of non white people living in this country pose no threat to this nation. The BNP do with a secular view. White Britain.
You make me sick and i know that none of the BNP will be on the council after the election as only narrow minded bigots like most of you here will not vote for them.
Go along to their meetings if you wish and see the kind of people and rubbish that is spouted. Still holding the meetings in the Red Lion?????
Had to be a BNP pub with a name like that.
Ted, Winsford says...
8:44am Wed 6 Feb 08
Do you believe in democracy?Do you believe that full intergration with the Eu enhances democracy.My answer is yes to the former and no to the later.
Every issues which effects our lives is being dictated by Brussels,your bin collections,the need to build incinerators and the reorganisation of local authorities.The actual need for councillors will become redundant,they just follow the orders passed down to them.The closing of local schools and the destruction of historical Cheshire as a county,are examles of the new style of EU democracy.All our localy elected representitive's viewes on these matters were simply overlooked.The same will happen again and again in the future.
The new 'shadow' councillors elected will not represent us like our present truly local councillors.I expect they will be a combination of,wannabe profesional politians fighting to climb the slippery pole and pen pushers waving their CV's around.I wonder how much they will be paying themselves in two years time.
The talk of the BNP and the very expected bashing from the three main parties,is a perfect distraction to ignore their own parties failings,both localy and nationaly.
Ted, Winsford says...
8:44am Wed 6 Feb 08
Do you believe in democracy?Do you believe that full intergration with the Eu enhances democracy.My answer is yes to the former and no to the later.
Every issues which effects our lives is being dictated by Brussels,your bin collections,the need to build incinerators and the reorganisation of local authorities.The actual need for councillors will become redundant,they just follow the orders passed down to them.The closing of local schools and the destruction of historical Cheshire as a county,are examles of the new style of EU democracy.All our localy elected representitive's viewes on these matters were simply overlooked.The same will happen again and again in the future.
The new 'shadow' councillors elected will not represent us like our present truly local councillors.I expect they will be a combination of,wannabe profesional politians fighting to climb the slippery pole and pen pushers waving their CV's around.I wonder how much they will be paying themselves in two years time.
The talk of the BNP and the very expected bashing from the three main parties,is a perfect distraction to ignore their own parties failings,both localy and nationaly.
Terry, Winsford says...
11:19am Wed 6 Feb 08
The BNP provide an excellent service of exposing the underhand evil and corrupt intentions of this government where the EU is concerned and all about the Evil EU empire!
Terry, Winsford says...
11:19am Wed 6 Feb 08
The BNP provide an excellent service of exposing the underhand evil and corrupt intentions of this government where the EU is concerned and all about the Evil EU empire!
Nick D., England says...
12:35pm Wed 6 Feb 08
bill... the biggest threat to the world's distinct peoples and cultures is globalism, managed and controlled by what academic John Fonte calls the "transnational progressives" (google it for some very perceptive articles).
What could be more fundamentalist than backing the trend toward global mono-culture as our main parties do?
Or more truly racist than silencing those who defend local and ethnic particularisms by calling them "racist"?
Nick D., England says...
12:35pm Wed 6 Feb 08
bill... the biggest threat to the world's distinct peoples and cultures is globalism, managed and controlled by what academic John Fonte calls the "transnational progressives" (google it for some very perceptive articles).
What could be more fundamentalist than backing the trend toward global mono-culture as our main parties do?
Or more truly racist than silencing those who defend local and ethnic particularisms by calling them "racist"?
Comment, Winsford says...
3:20pm Wed 6 Feb 08
What is it with groups? People are individuals not a group.
You're not saying there are no non-white Scots, Irish, English or Welsh are you ..........'cos they are all British too and have just as much rights as this so called indgineous population. So how can you say there's no assimililtion. They're British and proud to be do ....what more do you want?
Comment, Winsford says...
3:20pm Wed 6 Feb 08
What is it with groups? People are individuals not a group.
You're not saying there are no non-white Scots, Irish, English or Welsh are you ..........'cos they are all British too and have just as much rights as this so called indgineous population. So how can you say there's no assimililtion. They're British and proud to be do ....what more do you want?
Kelly J., Congleton says...
3:47pm Wed 6 Feb 08
james wrote:James - would this be the same UKIP whose MEPS, like the Tory, Labour & Lib Dem sleazebags, refuse to disclose how much of our tax money they have been claiming and what they have been spending it on?
people should vote ukip they have a much better chance and wants britian out of the eu . not alot of people will vote bnp but 2.7 million voted for ukip in the euro elections and ukip policys are much better. there have lords and meps and the bnp havent visit www.ukip.org they have three times as much members as the bnp . they want a five year freeze on immigation. so vote ukip
Is this the same UKIP who currently has one MEP in jail for defrauding the taxpayer and another being investigated by British police in connection with fraud?
Could you mean the same UKIP, all of whose MEPs are being investigated for possible massive fraud by OLAF - the EU's anti corruption investigatory body?
Could this be the same UKIP whose leader has a reputation for lavish spending of our tax money in Brussel's bars and lap dancing joints and one of whose MEP side kicks considers visiting brothels "normal behaviour"?
And please tell me that this isn't the same UKIP whose candidate not far from here, in Stalybridge, is currently in prison awaiting trial - charged with raping three young boys!
How can you expect any decent person to vote for such people?
Kelly J., Congleton says...
3:47pm Wed 6 Feb 08
james wrote:James - would this be the same UKIP whose MEPS, like the Tory, Labour & Lib Dem sleazebags, refuse to disclose how much of our tax money they have been claiming and what they have been spending it on?
people should vote ukip they have a much better chance and wants britian out of the eu . not alot of people will vote bnp but 2.7 million voted for ukip in the euro elections and ukip policys are much better. there have lords and meps and the bnp havent visit www.ukip.org they have three times as much members as the bnp . they want a five year freeze on immigation. so vote ukip
Is this the same UKIP who currently has one MEP in jail for defrauding the taxpayer and another being investigated by British police in connection with fraud?
Could you mean the same UKIP, all of whose MEPs are being investigated for possible massive fraud by OLAF - the EU's anti corruption investigatory body?
Could this be the same UKIP whose leader has a reputation for lavish spending of our tax money in Brussel's bars and lap dancing joints and one of whose MEP side kicks considers visiting brothels "normal behaviour"?
And please tell me that this isn't the same UKIP whose candidate not far from here, in Stalybridge, is currently in prison awaiting trial - charged with raping three young boys!
How can you expect any decent person to vote for such people?
james, says...
4:03pm Wed 6 Feb 08
The BNP is a racist, anti-semitic, anti-Muslim and homophobic party. It is a threat to democracy and human rights - and needs to be stopped.
A disturbing number of past and present BNP members are on record as denying the holocaust. Some have criminal convictions, including for racist hatred, threats and violence.
Realising that this thuggery turns off the voters, the BNP is moderating its image. Its game-plan is to copy the tactics of successful European far right and neo-Nazi parties, such as the Front National in France, the Vlaams Blok in Belgium and the National Democratic Party in Germany
The party may have toned down its open racism and street violence, but behind the smiling face of its leader, Nick Griffin lurks a hateful Islamophobia, racism and homophobia. The BNP is a menace to democracy and to minority communities, posing a particular threat to the welfare and security of black, Asian, Jewish, Muslim and gay people.
For all these reasons, it is important that we make Nick Griffin a loser
David Copeland, who exploded a nail bomb at the Admiral Duncan pub in the heart of London's homosexual community, was a former BNP member
In 1998, Nick Griffin was convicted of violating section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986, relating to incitement to racial hatred. He received a nine-month prison sentence, suspended for two years, and was fined £2,300.
Kevin Scott, the BNP's North East regional organiser, has two convictions for assault and using threatening words and behaviour.
Joe Owens, now expelled but previously a BNP candidate in Merseyside and former bodyguard to Nick Griffin, has served eight months in prison for sending razor blades in the post to Jewish people and another term for carrying CS gas and knuckledusters.
Tony Wentworth, former BNP student organiser, was convicted alongside Mr Owens for assaulting demonstrators at an anti-BNP event in 2003.
Colin Smith, BNP South East London organiser has 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.
In October 2006, Robert Cottage, a BNP candidate earlier in the year for election to represent Colne on Pendle Council, "was arrested under the Explosives Act on suspicion of possessing chemicals that may be capable of making an explosion
Tony Lecomber was jailed for possessing explosives in 1985, after a nail bomb exploded while he was carrying it to the offices of the Workers' Revolutionary Party; and again for three years in 1991, for assaulting a Jewish teacher who was removing a BNP sticker at a London Underground station. He was Propaganda Director of the BNP at the time of the latter conviction. He was Nick Griffin's key deputy in the party from 1999 until January 2006.)
james, says...
4:03pm Wed 6 Feb 08
The BNP is a racist, anti-semitic, anti-Muslim and homophobic party. It is a threat to democracy and human rights - and needs to be stopped.
A disturbing number of past and present BNP members are on record as denying the holocaust. Some have criminal convictions, including for racist hatred, threats and violence.
Realising that this thuggery turns off the voters, the BNP is moderating its image. Its game-plan is to copy the tactics of successful European far right and neo-Nazi parties, such as the Front National in France, the Vlaams Blok in Belgium and the National Democratic Party in Germany
The party may have toned down its open racism and street violence, but behind the smiling face of its leader, Nick Griffin lurks a hateful Islamophobia, racism and homophobia. The BNP is a menace to democracy and to minority communities, posing a particular threat to the welfare and security of black, Asian, Jewish, Muslim and gay people.
For all these reasons, it is important that we make Nick Griffin a loser
David Copeland, who exploded a nail bomb at the Admiral Duncan pub in the heart of London's homosexual community, was a former BNP member
In 1998, Nick Griffin was convicted of violating section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986, relating to incitement to racial hatred. He received a nine-month prison sentence, suspended for two years, and was fined £2,300.
Kevin Scott, the BNP's North East regional organiser, has two convictions for assault and using threatening words and behaviour.
Joe Owens, now expelled but previously a BNP candidate in Merseyside and former bodyguard to Nick Griffin, has served eight months in prison for sending razor blades in the post to Jewish people and another term for carrying CS gas and knuckledusters.
Tony Wentworth, former BNP student organiser, was convicted alongside Mr Owens for assaulting demonstrators at an anti-BNP event in 2003.
Colin Smith, BNP South East London organiser has 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.
In October 2006, Robert Cottage, a BNP candidate earlier in the year for election to represent Colne on Pendle Council, "was arrested under the Explosives Act on suspicion of possessing chemicals that may be capable of making an explosion
Tony Lecomber was jailed for possessing explosives in 1985, after a nail bomb exploded while he was carrying it to the offices of the Workers' Revolutionary Party; and again for three years in 1991, for assaulting a Jewish teacher who was removing a BNP sticker at a London Underground station. He was Propaganda Director of the BNP at the time of the latter conviction. He was Nick Griffin's key deputy in the party from 1999 until January 2006.)
Terry, Winsford says...
5:30pm Wed 6 Feb 08
Your definetely a SearchLight activist for sure! :-)
Terry, Winsford says...
5:30pm Wed 6 Feb 08
Your definetely a SearchLight activist for sure! :-)
Nick D., England says...
5:41pm Wed 6 Feb 08
There are no black Englishmen for the same reason there are no white Zulus. The English and Zulus are ethnic groups - not civic nationalisms like British or South African.
The Pakistanis and West Indians and Somalians of Britain do not consider themselves Englishmen, and susprisingly few even accept the British label.
See census numbers:
http://www.statistic
s.gov.uk/cci/nugget.
asp?id=459
"For example, two thirds (67 per cent) of Bangladeshis said they were British, while only 6 per cent said they were English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish."
They are not proud to be British, and for that matter neither are most white Britons - we're all of us quite uncomfortable and concerned about 'Britishness', thus the panic and efforts to instil a new, proud, sense of 'inclusive Britishness' by the govt. and media.
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/2/hi/uk_news/69215
34.stm
***
If you sincerely want to be an individual and free of group loyalties and responsibilities you should hand in your citizenship and leave. You have no right to tell others who value their community that they must kill it by making it open to all.
***
Nick D., England says...
5:41pm Wed 6 Feb 08
There are no black Englishmen for the same reason there are no white Zulus. The English and Zulus are ethnic groups - not civic nationalisms like British or South African.
The Pakistanis and West Indians and Somalians of Britain do not consider themselves Englishmen, and susprisingly few even accept the British label.
See census numbers:
http://www.statistic
s.gov.uk/cci/nugget.
asp?id=459
"For example, two thirds (67 per cent) of Bangladeshis said they were British, while only 6 per cent said they were English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish."
They are not proud to be British, and for that matter neither are most white Britons - we're all of us quite uncomfortable and concerned about 'Britishness', thus the panic and efforts to instil a new, proud, sense of 'inclusive Britishness' by the govt. and media.
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/2/hi/uk_news/69215
34.stm
***
If you sincerely want to be an individual and free of group loyalties and responsibilities you should hand in your citizenship and leave. You have no right to tell others who value their community that they must kill it by making it open to all.
***
Nick D., England says...
5:52pm Wed 6 Feb 08
Do you suppose Maoris and Zulus and Apaches didn't use to get a little violent when other peoples denied their right to control their homelands?
If we deny the right of native peoples to their lands, and they fight back, is it really they who are the aggressors?
The BNP favour a democratic, peaceful return to what - for peoples in Africa and Asia is the normal state affairs - ie. the govt. not being committed to race-replacing the population.
If the govt. doesn't change its ways, or a good govt, with the best interests of the people at heart eventually gain control, I can see violence coming to be seen as necessary.
What will be the alternative? The rump English being herded onto 'reservations' where they can pursue their 'racist' ideas of ethnic-survival?
Nick D., England says...
5:52pm Wed 6 Feb 08
Do you suppose Maoris and Zulus and Apaches didn't use to get a little violent when other peoples denied their right to control their homelands?
If we deny the right of native peoples to their lands, and they fight back, is it really they who are the aggressors?
The BNP favour a democratic, peaceful return to what - for peoples in Africa and Asia is the normal state affairs - ie. the govt. not being committed to race-replacing the population.
If the govt. doesn't change its ways, or a good govt, with the best interests of the people at heart eventually gain control, I can see violence coming to be seen as necessary.
What will be the alternative? The rump English being herded onto 'reservations' where they can pursue their 'racist' ideas of ethnic-survival?
Terry, Winsford says...
6:13pm Wed 6 Feb 08
Multiculturism doesn't work! period and the sooner they are willing to admit it, the better for everyone settled in this country the better.
assimulate or leave is the only option!
Terry, Winsford says...
6:13pm Wed 6 Feb 08
Multiculturism doesn't work! period and the sooner they are willing to admit it, the better for everyone settled in this country the better.
assimulate or leave is the only option!
Comment, Winsford says...
6:44pm Wed 6 Feb 08
And where exactly have I said that?
Kill what?
It's not possible to be an individual while also acknowledging others?
Individuals make a group ...there's no law that says that group can only be made up of individuals of only the same type!
I am a person who will talk to anyone and like anyone for themselves and will not condemn a whole raft of different people purely because they are different to me.
Comment, Winsford says...
6:44pm Wed 6 Feb 08
And where exactly have I said that?
Kill what?
It's not possible to be an individual while also acknowledging others?
Individuals make a group ...there's no law that says that group can only be made up of individuals of only the same type!
I am a person who will talk to anyone and like anyone for themselves and will not condemn a whole raft of different people purely because they are different to me.
Jeff Stuart, Winsford says...
7:33pm Wed 6 Feb 08
To "Comment"....I quite agree with your above statement and also think you should treat people as you find them.
But you must agree that there are many people today in the Uk who feel very threatened by the "mass" invasion of the multitude of different peoples now invading us at breakneck speed and the change of our identity that the various politicians seem hellbent on inflicting on us.
As with joining the EU where we had choice...I cannot remember having a vote on whether I wished to be multicultural in the future ?The population were never considered!
Jeff Stuart, Winsford says...
7:33pm Wed 6 Feb 08
To "Comment"....I quite agree with your above statement and also think you should treat people as you find them.
But you must agree that there are many people today in the Uk who feel very threatened by the "mass" invasion of the multitude of different peoples now invading us at breakneck speed and the change of our identity that the various politicians seem hellbent on inflicting on us.
As with joining the EU where we had choice...I cannot remember having a vote on whether I wished to be multicultural in the future ?The population were never considered!
Nick D., says...
8:23pm Wed 6 Feb 08
When you asked: You're not saying there are no non-white Scots, Irish, English or Welsh are you?
... And in supporting the project of making England a home as much for Pakistanis and Somalians as for Englishmen.
... And in asserting the 'right' to share with aliens the specific and particular national inheritance of the British peoples: ie. OUR schools, universities, hospitals, armed forces, police and civil services, the welfare community chest, our homelands, and every other common good.
They are not yours to give away - they are ours to protect. Just like the citizenship you value so little, and the community you reject in favour of pursuing your individual desires.
You may opt-out of course, but if you will tear-up the social contract be sincere about it and forego your own claim on the society's goods.
This means, as I say, resigning your citizenship and leaving the country, or allowing the society its necessary limits, and respect for its historical and particular identity.
You are NOT entitled to deny the rightful ownership of territory, resources, and national identity to those who retain the old allegiances - that is aggression.
Nick D., says...
8:23pm Wed 6 Feb 08
When you asked: You're not saying there are no non-white Scots, Irish, English or Welsh are you?
... And in supporting the project of making England a home as much for Pakistanis and Somalians as for Englishmen.
... And in asserting the 'right' to share with aliens the specific and particular national inheritance of the British peoples: ie. OUR schools, universities, hospitals, armed forces, police and civil services, the welfare community chest, our homelands, and every other common good.
They are not yours to give away - they are ours to protect. Just like the citizenship you value so little, and the community you reject in favour of pursuing your individual desires.
You may opt-out of course, but if you will tear-up the social contract be sincere about it and forego your own claim on the society's goods.
This means, as I say, resigning your citizenship and leaving the country, or allowing the society its necessary limits, and respect for its historical and particular identity.
You are NOT entitled to deny the rightful ownership of territory, resources, and national identity to those who retain the old allegiances - that is aggression.
Comment, Winsford says...
9:10pm Wed 6 Feb 08
I haven't denied anybody anything.
I also haven't said that the borders should let all and sundry in with no control.
I consider myself to be the better between you and me .... I advocate tolerance with control but not control purely on the grounds of colour ... I suggest you resign your citizenship as it is you that is the aggressor towards me.
Comment, Winsford says...
9:10pm Wed 6 Feb 08
I haven't denied anybody anything.
I also haven't said that the borders should let all and sundry in with no control.
I consider myself to be the better between you and me .... I advocate tolerance with control but not control purely on the grounds of colour ... I suggest you resign your citizenship as it is you that is the aggressor towards me.
Kelly J, Congleton says...
9:32pm Wed 6 Feb 08
Kelly J. wrote:James - why won't you respond to the points I made. Do you seriously advocate support for UKIP's unsavioury band of fraudsters, pervs, paedos, weidos and cranks? If I am mistaken in my perception of UKIP then please point out where I am factually ncorrect?
james wrote: people should vote ukip they have a much better chance and wants britian out of the eu . not alot of people will vote bnp but 2.7 million voted for ukip in the euro elections and ukip policys are much better. there have lords and meps and the bnp havent visit www.ukip.org they have three times as much members as the bnp . they want a five year freeze on immigation. so vote ukipJames - would this be the same UKIP whose MEPS, like the Tory, Labour & Lib Dem sleazebags, refuse to disclose how much of our tax money they have been claiming and what they have been spending it on? Is this the same UKIP who currently has one MEP in jail for defrauding the taxpayer and another being investigated by British police in connection with fraud? Could you mean the same UKIP, all of whose MEPs are being investigated for possible massive fraud by OLAF - the EU's anti corruption investigatory body? Could this be the same UKIP whose leader has a reputation for lavish spending of our tax money in Brussel's bars and lap dancing joints and one of whose MEP side kicks considers visiting brothels "normal behaviour"? And please tell me that this isn't the same UKIP whose candidate not far from here, in Stalybridge, is currently in prison awaiting trial - charged with raping three young boys! How can you expect any decent person to vote for such people?
PS I won't even mention the fruitcase UKIP candidate who stood in South Wales last year - who was exposed in the local media wearing a pink frock! And as I believe in innocence before proven guilty, I won't name UKIP's lead Greater Manchester candidate and spokesman currently awaiting trial on some 17 sex charges - including the rape of 3 boys aged 11 - 14!
Kelly J, Congleton says...
9:32pm Wed 6 Feb 08
Kelly J. wrote:James - why won't you respond to the points I made. Do you seriously advocate support for UKIP's unsavioury band of fraudsters, pervs, paedos, weidos and cranks? If I am mistaken in my perception of UKIP then please point out where I am factually ncorrect?
james wrote: people should vote ukip they have a much better chance and wants britian out of the eu . not alot of people will vote bnp but 2.7 million voted for ukip in the euro elections and ukip policys are much better. there have lords and meps and the bnp havent visit www.ukip.org they have three times as much members as the bnp . they want a five year freeze on immigation. so vote ukipJames - would this be the same UKIP whose MEPS, like the Tory, Labour & Lib Dem sleazebags, refuse to disclose how much of our tax money they have been claiming and what they have been spending it on? Is this the same UKIP who currently has one MEP in jail for defrauding the taxpayer and another being investigated by British police in connection with fraud? Could you mean the same UKIP, all of whose MEPs are being investigated for possible massive fraud by OLAF - the EU's anti corruption investigatory body? Could this be the same UKIP whose leader has a reputation for lavish spending of our tax money in Brussel's bars and lap dancing joints and one of whose MEP side kicks considers visiting brothels "normal behaviour"? And please tell me that this isn't the same UKIP whose candidate not far from here, in Stalybridge, is currently in prison awaiting trial - charged with raping three young boys! How can you expect any decent person to vote for such people?
PS I won't even mention the fruitcase UKIP candidate who stood in South Wales last year - who was exposed in the local media wearing a pink frock! And as I believe in innocence before proven guilty, I won't name UKIP's lead Greater Manchester candidate and spokesman currently awaiting trial on some 17 sex charges - including the rape of 3 boys aged 11 - 14!
Nick D., England says...
9:37pm Wed 6 Feb 08
I haven't proposed an immigration policy - I'm discussing fundamentals rather than policies.
Nick D., England says...
9:37pm Wed 6 Feb 08
I haven't proposed an immigration policy - I'm discussing fundamentals rather than policies.
Comment, Winsford says...
10:04am Thu 7 Feb 08
And how is sharing ever considered aggressive?!
And if it's not mine to 'share' then it's obviously not yours to 'keep' because by your arguement we don't have the right to 'own'
Comment, Winsford says...
10:04am Thu 7 Feb 08
And how is sharing ever considered aggressive?!
And if it's not mine to 'share' then it's obviously not yours to 'keep' because by your arguement we don't have the right to 'own'
Terry, Winsford says...
10:35am Thu 7 Feb 08
Terry, Winsford says...
10:35am Thu 7 Feb 08
Nick D., England says...
12:35pm Thu 7 Feb 08
It's human morality 101, and the fundamental basis of all social relations but I've had to spell it out 4 times. This is the last.
We collectively own the nation - destroy the collective principle and you destroy the nation. It's possible to opt out of the collective and so not to be aggressive, but that isn't what you're up to.
When you assume the right to dole out our common goods to strangers, and you take what belongs to all of us as a people, you are stealing our most precious assets: those which give us security and community. That's aggression.
****
Quoting from the UN's Draft Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples:
Article 6
Indigenous peoples have the collective right to live in freedom, peace and security as distinct peoples and to full guarantees against genocide or any other act of violence, including the removal of indigenous children from their families and communities under any pretext.
In addition, they have the individual rights to life, physical and mental integrity, liberty and security of person.
Article 7
Indigenous peoples have the collective and individual right not to be subjected to ethnocide and cultural genocide, including prevention of and redress for:
a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of their integrity as distinct peoples, or of their cultural values or ethnic identities;
(b) Any action which has the aim or effect of dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources;
(c) Any form of population transfer which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights;
(d) Any form of assimilation or integration by other cultures or ways of life imposed on them by legislative, administrative or other measures;
(e) Any form of propaganda directed against them.
****
We're getting there folks.
Nick D., England says...
12:35pm Thu 7 Feb 08
It's human morality 101, and the fundamental basis of all social relations but I've had to spell it out 4 times. This is the last.
We collectively own the nation - destroy the collective principle and you destroy the nation. It's possible to opt out of the collective and so not to be aggressive, but that isn't what you're up to.
When you assume the right to dole out our common goods to strangers, and you take what belongs to all of us as a people, you are stealing our most precious assets: those which give us security and community. That's aggression.
****
Quoting from the UN's Draft Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples:
Article 6
Indigenous peoples have the collective right to live in freedom, peace and security as distinct peoples and to full guarantees against genocide or any other act of violence, including the removal of indigenous children from their families and communities under any pretext.
In addition, they have the individual rights to life, physical and mental integrity, liberty and security of person.
Article 7
Indigenous peoples have the collective and individual right not to be subjected to ethnocide and cultural genocide, including prevention of and redress for:
a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of their integrity as distinct peoples, or of their cultural values or ethnic identities;
(b) Any action which has the aim or effect of dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources;
(c) Any form of population transfer which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights;
(d) Any form of assimilation or integration by other cultures or ways of life imposed on them by legislative, administrative or other measures;
(e) Any form of propaganda directed against them.
****
We're getting there folks.
Terry, Winsford says...
1:39pm Thu 7 Feb 08
Terry, Winsford says...
1:39pm Thu 7 Feb 08
Jeff Stuart, Winsfod says...
3:04pm Thu 7 Feb 08
s) consulted and considered as to what we wanted for the future of ourselves and our future generations.For goodness sake we matter?I don't wish harm on other peoples but at the present it just seems that we are second class citizens in our own country and that cannot be correct now can it ?We are individuals in our own right and deserve answers to why there is a need to be multicultual or European...I am English and proud of it (at least I was in bygone days)..!
Jeff Stuart, Winsfod says...
3:04pm Thu 7 Feb 08
s) consulted and considered as to what we wanted for the future of ourselves and our future generations.For goodness sake we matter?I don't wish harm on other peoples but at the present it just seems that we are second class citizens in our own country and that cannot be correct now can it ?We are individuals in our own right and deserve answers to why there is a need to be multicultual or European...I am English and proud of it (at least I was in bygone days)..!
Comment, Winsford says...
3:37pm Thu 7 Feb 08
What exactly do you want to see happen?
Comment, Winsford says...
3:37pm Thu 7 Feb 08
What exactly do you want to see happen?
Terry, Winsford says...
3:55pm Thu 7 Feb 08
"Sharia law in UK is 'unavoidable'"
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/
uk/7232661.stm
I personally find his words unacceptable, the very fact that he is advocating such provision in law like this for islamic reaces settling in England!
Is it any wonder that there is going to be big trouble ahead, if things like this continue?!?!?!
This kind of thing only serves to stir-up trouble and the BNP gain more support!
Terry, Winsford says...
3:55pm Thu 7 Feb 08
"Sharia law in UK is 'unavoidable'"
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/
uk/7232661.stm
I personally find his words unacceptable, the very fact that he is advocating such provision in law like this for islamic reaces settling in England!
Is it any wonder that there is going to be big trouble ahead, if things like this continue?!?!?!
This kind of thing only serves to stir-up trouble and the BNP gain more support!
rod elliot, Crewe says...
6:51pm Thu 7 Feb 08
Yes, its true - Rowan Williams wants Sharia Law in Britain - is this guy barking, or just certifiable? These are extracts of Sharia Law from the Koran. Is this what Rowan Williams wants for Britain??
a.
This would dispose of Tony Blair (and the Labour Party) for a start.
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides
b.
Are we to bring back hanging?
And We prescribed to them in it that life is for life, and eye for eye, and nose for nose, and ear for ear, and tooth for tooth, and (that there is) reprisal in wounds;
c.
Actually, there may be something to this Sharia stuff, can the guy who stole my car get a Sharia retrial?
Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—this is a deterrent from God, for God is almighty and wise.
(The Islamic god is generally racist, cruel, genocidal or all three simultaneously)
d.
This will stop women from working.
And they ask you about menstruation. Say: It is a discomfort; therefore keep aloof from the women during the menstrual discharge and do not go near them until they have become clean.
e.
This will clear the beaches of Spain and France.
And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away.
f.
Ah, yes the equality that feminists have fought for for so long.
Men have authority over women because Allah has made one superior over the other ... and (as to) those women on whose part you fear disobedience, admonish them, and send them to their beds and beat them.
(Perhaps there is something to this Sharia business after all -- sorry m'lud, I am not guilty of assault, I am just an ignorant Muslim...).
g.
This is more like it - can I have a few slave-girls?
Blessed are Muslims who ... restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls).
h.
This will put women in their place.
Women shall have rights similar to those excercised against them. But men are superior to women. God is mighty and wise.
i.
This would teach my ex a lesson or two - can I administer the punishment?
The fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, it is a punishment prescribed by Allah.
j.
The following are from the Hadith. This would close Stonewall and most of the BBC down for good. You know - I'm warming to this creed.
If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.
(Lot's people, if you did not know, were indulging in buggery)
k.
Ah, yes, this is what the Liberals want. Can we do this outside Canterbury Cathedral, so Rowan can see the fruits of his great intellect in action?
And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on his face he cursed her.
l.
And this is how the entire structure of Islam and Sharia is maintained - threats of death.
The Muslim deserves death for doing any of the following.
(1) Reviling Allah or his Messenger
(2) being sarcastic about Allah's name, His command, His interdiction, His promise, or His threats
(3) denying any verse of the Quran
(4) holding that any of Allah's messengers or prophets are liars, or to deny their being sent
(5) reviling the religion of Islam
(6) being sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law (Reliance of the Traveler pp. 597—98, o8.7):
And this selection is but a small fraction of the barbarity of Sharia, this is what Rowan Williams wants in Britain. Plus - how can you have one rule for one and another rule for another. Can I become Christio-Muslim and get the best of both worlds?
Sharia Law.
http://www.americant
hinker.com/2005/08/t
op_ten_reasons_why_s
haria_is.html
This is a list of Islamic attacks in 2006.
http://www.thereligi
onofpeace.com/attack
s-2006.htm
This is the list for 2005:
http://www.thereligi
onofpeace.com/attack
s-2005.htm
And for 2004:
http://www.thereligi
onofpeace.com/attack
s-2004.htm
rod elliot, Crewe says...
6:51pm Thu 7 Feb 08
Yes, its true - Rowan Williams wants Sharia Law in Britain - is this guy barking, or just certifiable? These are extracts of Sharia Law from the Koran. Is this what Rowan Williams wants for Britain??
a.
This would dispose of Tony Blair (and the Labour Party) for a start.
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides
b.
Are we to bring back hanging?
And We prescribed to them in it that life is for life, and eye for eye, and nose for nose, and ear for ear, and tooth for tooth, and (that there is) reprisal in wounds;
c.
Actually, there may be something to this Sharia stuff, can the guy who stole my car get a Sharia retrial?
Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—this is a deterrent from God, for God is almighty and wise.
(The Islamic god is generally racist, cruel, genocidal or all three simultaneously)
d.
This will stop women from working.
And they ask you about menstruation. Say: It is a discomfort; therefore keep aloof from the women during the menstrual discharge and do not go near them until they have become clean.
e.
This will clear the beaches of Spain and France.
And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away.
f.
Ah, yes the equality that feminists have fought for for so long.
Men have authority over women because Allah has made one superior over the other ... and (as to) those women on whose part you fear disobedience, admonish them, and send them to their beds and beat them.
(Perhaps there is something to this Sharia business after all -- sorry m'lud, I am not guilty of assault, I am just an ignorant Muslim...).
g.
This is more like it - can I have a few slave-girls?
Blessed are Muslims who ... restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls).
h.
This will put women in their place.
Women shall have rights similar to those excercised against them. But men are superior to women. God is mighty and wise.
i.
This would teach my ex a lesson or two - can I administer the punishment?
The fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, it is a punishment prescribed by Allah.
j.
The following are from the Hadith. This would close Stonewall and most of the BBC down for good. You know - I'm warming to this creed.
If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.
(Lot's people, if you did not know, were indulging in buggery)
k.
Ah, yes, this is what the Liberals want. Can we do this outside Canterbury Cathedral, so Rowan can see the fruits of his great intellect in action?
And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on his face he cursed her.
l.
And this is how the entire structure of Islam and Sharia is maintained - threats of death.
The Muslim deserves death for doing any of the following.
(1) Reviling Allah or his Messenger
(2) being sarcastic about Allah's name, His command, His interdiction, His promise, or His threats
(3) denying any verse of the Quran
(4) holding that any of Allah's messengers or prophets are liars, or to deny their being sent
(5) reviling the religion of Islam
(6) being sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law (Reliance of the Traveler pp. 597—98, o8.7):
And this selection is but a small fraction of the barbarity of Sharia, this is what Rowan Williams wants in Britain. Plus - how can you have one rule for one and another rule for another. Can I become Christio-Muslim and get the best of both worlds?
Sharia Law.
http://www.americant
hinker.com/2005/08/t
op_ten_reasons_why_s
haria_is.html
This is a list of Islamic attacks in 2006.
http://www.thereligi
onofpeace.com/attack
s-2006.htm
This is the list for 2005:
http://www.thereligi
onofpeace.com/attack
s-2005.htm
And for 2004:
http://www.thereligi
onofpeace.com/attack
s-2004.htm
Jeff Stuart, Winsford says...
7:19pm Thu 7 Feb 08
k/
and make your own minds up...God gave you a brain,the country educated you so use them both and seek the truth.I am not a member of the BNP but I do often visit their site to see what the government BBC and press in general don't want us to know about.Thanks to all for your very interesting contributions I shall just read from now on..Bye everybody.
Jeff Stuart, Winsford says...
7:19pm Thu 7 Feb 08
k/
and make your own minds up...God gave you a brain,the country educated you so use them both and seek the truth.I am not a member of the BNP but I do often visit their site to see what the government BBC and press in general don't want us to know about.Thanks to all for your very interesting contributions I shall just read from now on..Bye everybody.
Terry, Winsford says...
11:25pm Thu 7 Feb 08
No one could have put that any better than yourself.....
I second what you say!
Terry, Winsford says...
11:25pm Thu 7 Feb 08
No one could have put that any better than yourself.....
I second what you say!
Anita, says...
12:59pm Sat 9 Feb 08
I think you should keep a record of what you have written on various subjects before saying anything.
And for what it is worth, most people will agree that ALL supposed politicians are liars to get what they want. As soon as they are voted in, they just do what they want anyway.
Anita, says...
12:59pm Sat 9 Feb 08
I think you should keep a record of what you have written on various subjects before saying anything.
And for what it is worth, most people will agree that ALL supposed politicians are liars to get what they want. As soon as they are voted in, they just do what they want anyway.
james, says...
9:47pm Sat 9 Feb 08
http://www.european-
referendum.org.uk/
james, says...
9:47pm Sat 9 Feb 08
http://www.european-
referendum.org.uk/
Crusader, cheshire says...
7:48am Sun 10 Feb 08
All you do is spout the same old rubbish.
The loony left, new labour and searchlight.
Have you not got an original thought in your head or do you just follow what everyone else thinks and says.
Crusader, cheshire says...
7:48am Sun 10 Feb 08
All you do is spout the same old rubbish.
The loony left, new labour and searchlight.
Have you not got an original thought in your head or do you just follow what everyone else thinks and says.
Terry, Winsford says...
10:29pm Sun 10 Feb 08
Touched a raw nerve with you pair eh ;)
Terry, Winsford says...
10:29pm Sun 10 Feb 08
Touched a raw nerve with you pair eh ;)
Comment, Winsford says...
9:52am Mon 11 Feb 08
You've said that people are allowed to express their own opinion and yet you tell me and Anita to shut up!
What raw nerve is supposed to have been touched? I don't like the BNP, you do, simple as that. I've not told any of the BNP supporters to shut up ....I don't mind free speech and differing opinions, you do ....re Incinerator thread.
Don't try to make out you're the clever person on this site because every thread that you post on shows you as a mean, miserable, pompous, unintelligent, illiterate ponce.
Comment, Winsford says...
9:52am Mon 11 Feb 08
You've said that people are allowed to express their own opinion and yet you tell me and Anita to shut up!
What raw nerve is supposed to have been touched? I don't like the BNP, you do, simple as that. I've not told any of the BNP supporters to shut up ....I don't mind free speech and differing opinions, you do ....re Incinerator thread.
Don't try to make out you're the clever person on this site because every thread that you post on shows you as a mean, miserable, pompous, unintelligent, illiterate ponce.
Willow, winsford says...
10:40am Mon 11 Feb 08
Dont let Terry get to you.
He's obviosly a retard with a limited vocabulary and he just spouts the same old words at you. He cant think for himself and he is so far up the rest of the idiots back side you can just see his feet popping out lol
And a bigot to boot.
Willow, winsford says...
10:40am Mon 11 Feb 08
Dont let Terry get to you.
He's obviosly a retard with a limited vocabulary and he just spouts the same old words at you. He cant think for himself and he is so far up the rest of the idiots back side you can just see his feet popping out lol
And a bigot to boot.
Anita, says...
11:55am Mon 11 Feb 08
Very well worded, Willow.
Anita, says...
11:55am Mon 11 Feb 08
Very well worded, Willow.
Terry, Winsford says...
4:20pm Mon 11 Feb 08
The very fact that you are doing so on here right now, just proves how childish and naive you both are in that you cannot stomach the opinions (no matter how direct they might be), that differ from your own.
Given what I have seen on the discussion forum associated with this site, I can only assume you are the same Internet trolls that dominate that forum in it's little clique as you attempt to do on here.
You individuals should learn to cope with what others have to say without having to resort to childish spats and then rally support from your clique on the forum which seems to hold the "vociferous few". That forum alone shows how it's members (I assume your part of the same clique ) that ONLY chooses to embrace members and new comers that share the same political and moral views as your own.
Anyway, I'm not going to resort deliberate childish insults like your lot and merely just take this on the chin....
Back to the topic, I would like to thank the BNP for continuing to expose the dark side of this New Labour government and then hidden agenda of the EU.
Well done and thank you for providing a informative service with regards to this! You are the only party prepared to tell it as it is and I welcome the pages in this online newspaper! :-)
Terry, Winsford says...
4:20pm Mon 11 Feb 08
The very fact that you are doing so on here right now, just proves how childish and naive you both are in that you cannot stomach the opinions (no matter how direct they might be), that differ from your own.
Given what I have seen on the discussion forum associated with this site, I can only assume you are the same Internet trolls that dominate that forum in it's little clique as you attempt to do on here.
You individuals should learn to cope with what others have to say without having to resort to childish spats and then rally support from your clique on the forum which seems to hold the "vociferous few". That forum alone shows how it's members (I assume your part of the same clique ) that ONLY chooses to embrace members and new comers that share the same political and moral views as your own.
Anyway, I'm not going to resort deliberate childish insults like your lot and merely just take this on the chin....
Back to the topic, I would like to thank the BNP for continuing to expose the dark side of this New Labour government and then hidden agenda of the EU.
Well done and thank you for providing a informative service with regards to this! You are the only party prepared to tell it as it is and I welcome the pages in this online newspaper! :-)
james, says...
4:24pm Mon 11 Feb 08
http://www.european-
referendum.org.uk/
james, says...
4:24pm Mon 11 Feb 08
http://www.european-
referendum.org.uk/
Comment, Winsford says...
7:09pm Mon 11 Feb 08
Wasn't me that told anyone to shut up was it ....
As for name calling ...please read all your previous posts on any thread....
As for trying to dominate any forums or comments section ...pot and kettle mate lol
Comment, Winsford says...
7:09pm Mon 11 Feb 08
Wasn't me that told anyone to shut up was it ....
As for name calling ...please read all your previous posts on any thread....
As for trying to dominate any forums or comments section ...pot and kettle mate lol
Terry, Winsford says...
11:37pm Mon 11 Feb 08
Terry, Winsford says...
11:37pm Mon 11 Feb 08
Comment, Winsford says...
9:32am Tue 12 Feb 08
Comment, Winsford says...
9:32am Tue 12 Feb 08
Crusader, Cheshire says...
9:39am Tue 12 Feb 08
You really must go back and re read what you have posted. Your level of benevolence towrds this area makes you no friends and you do seem to spout the same things. New Labour etc.
If you cant stand theheat then get out of the kitchen.
You say that Willow and Comment should be careful about deflamatory remarks. Do you mean Defamatory??
That cant be a threat surely so what could you do about it??
Crusader, Cheshire says...
9:39am Tue 12 Feb 08
You really must go back and re read what you have posted. Your level of benevolence towrds this area makes you no friends and you do seem to spout the same things. New Labour etc.
If you cant stand theheat then get out of the kitchen.
You say that Willow and Comment should be careful about deflamatory remarks. Do you mean Defamatory??
That cant be a threat surely so what could you do about it??
Terry, Winsford says...
11:49am Tue 12 Feb 08
I'm not here to befriend others. I am merely reacting to comments, expressing opinion and unfortunately for others who cannot handle this, I am very direct in doing so.
I am not one to mince my words! I say it as it is!
Anyway, can we please have some more stories from the BNP presenting more dark secrets about government/EU intentions in store for us all. ;)
Terry, Winsford says...
11:49am Tue 12 Feb 08
I'm not here to befriend others. I am merely reacting to comments, expressing opinion and unfortunately for others who cannot handle this, I am very direct in doing so.
I am not one to mince my words! I say it as it is!
Anyway, can we please have some more stories from the BNP presenting more dark secrets about government/EU intentions in store for us all. ;)
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